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Ciao Kip,

I got a message there is an offset wrong om nitrogen. Can you solve this, plz? TIA,  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  14:21, 1 February 2017 (CET)

Done :) --Kip (talk) 18:39, 1 February 2017 (CET)

Great! Where we would be without you? On a happier note On twitter we just got our 173th follower. After some ups and downs half year ago we're only rising. Slowly but certainly.  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  20:09, 1 February 2017 (CET)

We just reached 200 followers; a milestone by the end of this year :-D Happy New Year!  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  14:06, 26 December 2017 (CET)

Hej, very cool :) Sj (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2018 (CEST)

Polyglot Extension Questions

Hello Kipcool

I've found out that you were a maintainer of Polyglot extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Polyglot

I have some doubts about the basic interaction and use of the extension, I've placed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Txbx9196ap25usvx

Since you may know the main purpose of the extension, can you explain me a little bit about it?

Thanks in advance. Regards SirLouen

SQL help

Hi, I'm trying to make an educational video game for learning foreign languages and I'm just not smart enough to figure out how to pull what I need from the database. If you feel like helping me with this, I'd gladly send you a $25 gift card to amazon or pay pal or whatever. I need a view(?) or table with each row being a word and columns of their foreign language equivalent (if available). I have the lexical database downloaded and set up and just need the SQL command. Thanks for your consideration!

Hi, I can help with this but please wait until the new year when I am back from holidays. It is a bit complicated with a smartphone only.

in the meantime could you have a look at these multilingual files that we generated at some point http://dictionarymid.sourceforge.net/dictionaries/dictsMultilingualsOmegaWiki.html , I can generated fresh ones but if that is the format you need, we already have the suitable sql query somewhere.

I would do this for free of course, I don't need the money incentive, but I am happy when our data is being used.

Partners

See GerardM's tP (in Dutch - if that's unclear ask me ;-D Klaas `Z4␟` V:  11:15, 13 October 2018 (CEST)

Do not see picture

Ciao Kip,

At friendship the pic from Commons seems invisble. What did one do wrong or is it a cache thing? Klaas `Z4␟` V:  11:20, 28 October 2018 (CET)

Apparently it is a problem with the script (our script - which I wrote...) that generates the url adress of the thumb image. It does not look in the correct directory (the directory normally can be automatically deduced from the file name). Probably because of the special characters. I will have a look when I have time :) --Kip (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2018 (CET)

The specialest symbol is IMNSHO the & normally does weird things in many script/markup languages most notable being HTML.
Take your time: we have an informative caption - clickbait as well ;-D
Kind regards from a dreamPark. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  07:22, 29 October 2018 (CET) who is having 14th wedding anniversary today (around noon)

Fixed! You were right it was the & character. --Kip (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2019 (CET)

Adding local varieties to minority languages

Hi Kipcool, sorry, but it's a long time ago that I myself did this and I cannot remember. Could you please have a look at this question about Swiss German? Thanks!!! --Sabine (talk) 07:10, 8 November 2018 (CET)

Time to learn something new. I just added the city of Coburg which would be another variety of Main Franconian. How can I add Coburg as a local variety so that it appears under "area"? Is there a how-to somewhere? And really I want to be able to do this myself in case it is needed. Cheers :-))) --Sabine (talk) 19:14, 14 November 2018 (CET)

I don't think we did a how-to, but I should, each time a question is asked I can just copy-paste somewhere (but where?)

So, to do it, you have to

1. find the expression corresponding to the language => Expression:Main-Franconian
2. edit the page (or the DM), obviously :)
3. At the bottom there is a section "class attributes" (between class and collections)
4. There you will find "area". At the corresponding rightmost column you can add more areas.

Voila :) So, where do we copy/paste that? --Kip (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2018 (CET)

Thank you so much! Do we have a "how-to" section somewhere? It is fairly weird, that I don't even know that ... Well we do have the Help-section - maybe we should create an additional section there? --Sabine (talk) 20:44, 15 November 2018 (CET)

Everything is have is normally under the Help page that you found.

It was mostly written by me, but I wrote only how-to for standard users (like Help:Editing annotations), not for functionalities that can only be performed by bureaucrats.

So we could add a subsection in Help:Index containing only help for bureaucrats and admins. --Kip (talk) 21:54, 15 November 2018 (CET)

Probably this is the most logical place for this. Btw. as for download/upload: there is the script we used for the University of Bamberg stuff (see special pages) and one works with .csv - maybe this can be of help? --Sabine (talk) 06:46, 16 November 2018 (CET)

Yes true! I never used it myself, but I think it worked well.

In practice, how can a standard user note that "chocolatine" is only used in Southern France? I can't see any "class attributes" section between "class membership" and "collections membership".--Fiable.biz (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2020 (CEST)

Languages with a Wikipedia we seem not to support yet or have another name?

Just added a few here; perhaps more to come sooner or later. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  15:12, 2 December 2018 (CET)

Thanks! We should consider if we want do add them, or why we didn't.

Btw, this page where you added it is an automatically generated page. When we click on the special page for updating the language names and translations, this page gets overwritten. So it would be best to move it to another page, such as Help:Language/List or Help:Language/Checklist_for_editable_languages

Or create another subpage Help:Language/Probably_Missing or something... --Kip (talk) 20:55, 5 December 2018 (CET)

For the moment I stored them here  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  18:10, 7 December 2018 (CET)

Thanks --Kip (talk) 23:26, 8 December 2018 (CET)

Any time. Next step is to support them so we are on our way to have almost 650 editable languages Klaas `Z4␟` V:  12:22, 9 December 2018 (CET)

This means we need people who know these languages ... hmmmm ... --Sabine (talk) 21:24, 16 December 2018 (CET)

Best way to find them IMNSHO is via Wikimedia Foundation. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:41, 17 December 2018 (CET)

Adding links to outside ressources

I am wondering if we can add more than only "commons" in the link section. That is for example to pixabay.com (CC-0 pictures) and/or to openclipart.org. Commons with all these different licenses takes too much time to handle images. I am choosing the IYIL-pictures from pixabay, simply because it is easier to find them and no hassle to use them. Days unfortunately only have 24 hours ... :-) --Sabine (talk) 07:56, 1 March 2019 (CET)

So you want the possibility to add a link (that's easy), but do you also want the picture to display on the right? (that's a bit more work - some more javascript). --Kip (talk) 09:23, 1 March 2019 (CET)

New languages

There are plenty of languages we do not have on OW, but where there is data we can add. Now I would go the way to say: all languages where we do have an ISO 639-3 code are simply added. I had a look into ISO 639-6 - it simply gets too much - we can add this distinction in the "area" part, like we will deal with Lombard etc. Only Main-Franconian would be one variation for each village ... that simply doesn't make sense - then again: many villages share a huge part of the Terminology. If there are people who wish to contribute in this way: they may take the time to edit. The terms are simply treated as synonyms. Adding areas as we need them IMHO is not a problem.

As to adding the data: do I use the language messenger adding only the language name + ISO 639-3 code? If yes, I could care about this.--Sabine (talk) 09:53, 1 March 2019 (CET)

Yes you can add with Special:Languages with just language name and ISO 639-3 the rest can stay empty.

If you have a language with several scripts (e.g. Latin + Cyrillic), it gets a bit more complicated so you could leave these out for now.

When you have added all the languages you want, give me a quick notice and I will regenerate the page Help:language id List. I will also try to include the iso codes in that list. --Kip (talk) 10:05, 1 March 2019 (CET)

All languages missing up to now have been added. I should need the IDs for these languages now, so that I can add the numbers and we can then add these to the import script. Once that is done, I will re-start over with the import of the various wiktionary entries for the 100 words. I will try out the lgs-importscript this evening :-) --Sabine (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2019 (CET)

lgs-import does not show up - I suppose it is blocked for now :-) - no probs, there is plenty of stuff to do ... --Sabine (talk) 21:11, 1 March 2019 (CET)

lgs-import: I have not yet decided what to do with all languages, but you can try it of course. I would prefer that it is only available to you (and me), at least for now, so I put it in your personal javascript file (maybe refresh cache Ctrl Shift R).

languages, about 30 more :) - I regenerated Help:language id List, now it also shows our iso639-3 code, and is sorted by that code. --Kip (talk) 21:21, 1 March 2019 (CET)

Thank you! --Sabine (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2019 (CET)

Could you plese re-create Help:language id List again? There are some lines I apparently missed or that I tried to add, but did not get saved (probably connectivity problems). I will re-check the last language IDs again then. --Sabine (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2019 (CET)

Done --Kip (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2019 (CET)

Thank you! Checked the language IDs for the script. NN :-) --Sabine (talk) 23:07, 1 March 2019 (CET)

I have added all of them :) --Kip (talk) 00:03, 2 March 2019 (CET)

Thank you! --Sabine (talk) 18:41, 2 March 2019 (CET)

Good morning! - well, it is getting funny ... I just re-imported airplane and again we do have new languages. Well, have to work now ... I will look into this a bit later. --Sabine (talk) 09:20, 4 March 2019 (CET)

Then you have seen (or will see) that in the output window, I added a button "click here to add" to insert the translations to be checked manually. It works quite nice and then it deletes the line from the output.

In the airplane translations there are a few Chinese languages that are missing in OW. --Kip (talk) 09:25, 4 March 2019 (CET)

That is definitely fun while working :-))) --Sabine (talk)

Could you please re-create the pabe Help:language id List? I added all that was new for the first term of my list and before going ahead with the next one, I would like to add the relevant bits to your wiktionary import script. ThanK you!!! :-) Maybe there is a way how I could create this list myself? That is without installing whatsoever on my computer?--Sabine (talk) 07:03, 28 March 2019 (CET)

I recreated the list.

I have added a bunch of languages recently as well (many from fr.wikt), so it is nice to have an updated version.

Don't know if you can create the list yourself. Currently I connect to the server (you need ssh and you need the password, I don't think you have an account on the server) and run a sql query (you need the sql password as well). Currently I can't think of another method. --Kip (talk) 13:50, 28 March 2019 (CET)

Thank you!!! So I will need to ask you every now and then. Well, there will be always less languages to add. I will now add the ones missing to your script. I will have a look at the Spanish wiktionary as well - we never know if there are languages of South America we can cover better from there. --Sabine (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2019 (CET)

I added another group of languages. When you have a moment, could you please re-create the list? Then I go ahead with the next terms to complete. Thank you and have a nice Sunday! --Sabine (talk) 14:24, 31 March 2019 (CEST)

Done! Wiktionary claims to have 3900 languages... we still have a long way to go :( --Kip (talk) 16:43, 31 March 2019 (CEST)

Etymology

Hey Kip,

I was wondering whether we could somehow add etymological information to the wiki in a consistent way, so that could be read automatically by a program. E.g. I would like to let an algorithm dig up all words that have the same (or similar) meaning and are etymologically related across multiple languages. Then more algorithms could do derivations from the common ancestor(s) into multiple languages, which could be checked for validity, and then added (if the word exists in an acceptable language). Like this we might be able to quickly add words for varieties such as Alemannic, Swabian, and Bavarian and even create words for auxiliary languages (whether they are added to OmegaWiki or not). --RayZa (talk) 02:00, 18 June 2019 (CEST)

Sentences

Hi and first of all sorry, I could not come along for quite a long time. In the meantime I got a German/Italian booklet with loads of sample sentences. I am wondering if you already did something for that "sentence"-namespace. Well, just asking. I will go ahead working on that IYIL-wordlist in various ways. For some specific terms I will ask for translations in different places and add them here. Well, just like always ... I am still with Telecom who cut my dsl connection (eventually because I am moving to a local provider) - I am only with LTE right now, which often creates problem. I was promised to get dsl back by Monday ... let's see. CU --Sabine (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2019 (CEST)

Hi, unfortunately no progress on the sentence thing. I barely have time to manage the two kids and my job. Lacking a lot of sleep... you probably know what I mean. --Kip (talk) 22:12, 8 August 2019 (CEST)

Indeed, I know what you mean - it will not change for many, many years :-) but it is all worth it. Ok - fine - I have to think some more.--Sabine (talk) 23:01, 8 August 2019 (CEST)

What about starting a section Meta:Sentences - just using wiki style pages? If this really grows, we can always convert it to an OmegaWiki proper namespace. --Sabine (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2019 (CEST)

Even withstandard wiki, we can already use a separate namespace.

I have therefore defined the namespace "Sentence".

One thing we can maybe already do, if we want to later change to a OmegaWiki style, would be to use templates to identify languages. So {eng} for English, {deu} for German etc. Then it is easier to parse it automatically. --Kip (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2019 (CEST)

Perfect - I am used to templates ... that's how I started on it.wiktionary when it was opened. So all sentences to into Sentence:<actual sentence> - I will use ISO 639-3 from the edit list.--Sabine (talk) 11:19, 14 August 2019 (CEST)

Trying to organise some sentences, I just noted that is is definitely a HUUGE thing. In November there is the European Week for Waste Removal. Petra who works with me in the Plastik sparen project would like to have stuff in DE, EN, IT - well, I suppose, we will simply create the sentences here. You never know what comes out of whatever step you take ... --Sabine (talk) 08:51, 3 September 2019 (CEST)

Me again: should we create a starting point called Portal:Sentences? For now I would start only from one language (English!?!?) to the other languages. Or should we allow for other "starting languages" as well (just thinking about my kids learning Russian at school). --Sabine (talk) 09:02, 3 September 2019 (CEST)

Aaaah I forgot to answer this one...

A starting point is a good idea, you could use anything like Portal:Sentences or Meta:Sentences or Sentence:Index (we can change it later if needed).

For the starting language, I had thought that any language is ok as the "reference" language, and that the first language that appears on top of a page is the original language, and the rest is translations.

I am not sure at the moment what it should look like. So I believe the best is that you create a few Sentence pages that fit your needs, and then we can see how we can improve on that :)

One of my ideas with the sentences would be to get a list of famous quotations (that have been translated into many languages, Gandi, Einstein, etc.) and use them as example sentences to illustrate words that we have)

busy busy busy. --Kip (talk) 23:42, 15 September 2019 (CEST)

Gender in ancient Greek (Egypt)

Hello. Would you be so kind as to add the gender (masculine, feminine, neutral) for Egyptian ancient Greek? Thank you in advance. --Fiable.biz (talk) 09:58, 25 August 2020 (CEST)

I don't find the language Egyptian ancient Greek. Could you give me the link to the Expression: page of that language? Thanks.

I found only Ancient Greek, for which the genders are already defined. --Kip (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2020 (CEST)

Merci de votre réponse. Je crains qu'il n'y ait pas de page. Mais cette variante linguistique est utilisée. Voir par exemple Expression:ὀνειδισμός. --Fiable.biz (talk) 05:23, 31 August 2020 (CEST)

Ok merci j'ai trouvé DefinedMeaning:Greek, Ancient (Egypt) (1270058)

Et J'ai rajouté les trois genres. --Kip (talk) 21:38, 31 August 2020 (CEST)

Merci! --Fiable.biz (talk) 04:33, 1 September 2020 (CEST)

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According to the history Fiable.biz added an image to repreession on the 1st of August, but I do not see it. How come?

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− 2021-08-01 03:17:39 539406 Fiable.biz image

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I tried to do the same (including category @Commons); unfortunately no effect :(

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− 2021-08-03 07:29:07 539408 Klaas van Buiten +nldef +links wC(2)&wD

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Ideas for cause and solution? #tia

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 Klaas `Z4␟` V:  11:07, 4 August 2021 (CEST)

Hi, apparently the URL of the image was truncated. I guess that it was considered too long (there is probably a limit in the database like 128 characters ?)

the correct url should be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2021-07-14_%D0%A3%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%86%D1%8C%D1%86%D1%91_%D1%81%D1%8F%D0%B4%D0%B7%D1%96%D0%B1%D1%8B_%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D1%84%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%83.jpg

The easiest fix would be to rename the image on commons, or use another image.

For the categories, it could be that the error on the image makes the javascript crash and not process the category.

--Kip (talk) 16:10, 5 August 2021 (CEST)