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"Translated text attribute"[edit]

Hello. What is supposed to be in the field "Translated text attribute"? (talk)

Hi, currently there is only "etymology" and "usage note", because e.g. for a French word you can write its etymology in French but also in English, etc.
These two annotations are available at syntrans level (so-called "lexical annotations"), i.e. at the top of the page when you edit an Expression: page, or in the annotation column of synonyms-translations.
There is no "Translated text attribute" at DM level (so-called "semantic annotations"), so it appears empty there. --Kip (talk) 12:27, 14 April 2018 (CEST)
I added the etymology of "Expression:etymology", in French and English. --Kip (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2018 (CEST)

Adding links to Omegawiki to Wikidata[edit]

From a spot check, most definedmeanings here link to relevant wikidata IDs, but the reverse is not true; only a small number have return links via P1245. Is there a script or labs tool that helps add these IDs to wikidata? Sj (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2018 (CEST)

Indeed we currently have 10144 (of our 50509 concepts) that are linked to Wikidata. We use that mostly to link to the relevant wikipedia page when it is available.
I don't know wikidata scripts or lab tools. I think GerardM would know the best, unfortunately (for us) he now put all his energy into wikidata and de facto left Omegawiki.

--Kip (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2018 (CEST)

I never looked into WikiData ... and I also forgot many things about OmegaWiki ... but maybe the group is a way to get people to help? How to add an OmegaWiki link to Wikidata? Hmmm ... Sabine (talk)
I use Wikidata a lot doing - among other actions like manually adding descriptions sometimes from here - the contrary. What you asked, Sj would be a lot easier if our request we made five years ago to join WMF would be accepted and made official.

External links[edit]

 Klaas `Z4␟` V:  07:52, 12 September 2018 (CEST)

Change User Name[edit]

Huh ... I am wondering if it is possible to change my user name - I got married so it is really weird for me to see "SabineCretella" up there ... or should I create another user and simply give me all rights? -- Sabine (talk)

It is possible, and also the best solution, to change your user name.
I installed the extension for this. As a bureaucrat you can do it yourself there: . --Kip (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2018 (CEST)
It worked !!!!! Thank you! Yay ... ok, hopefully I will be able to do what I am planning to do ... let's see :-))) --Sabine (talk)
Cool! I did the same to get a name I have on practically all WMF-sites as well. KlaasZ4usV as my sig already shows:  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  22:03, 22 May 2018 (CEST)

Expression:animal - please have a look[edit]

Hi, there are two definitions for the substantive that are in the end the same. Should we keep it? If so: all translations may be copied there. animal--Sabine (talk) 06:54, 14 January 2019 (CET)

Hi, I think it is on purpose,
one definition is all animals, including humans (so, the biological/scientific definition)
the other definitions is for animals, excluding humans (so, a rather anthropocentric/philosophical definition)
this distinction is also made in other dictionaries, such as (see definitions 1 and 2a).
--Kip (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2019 (CET)
OK, thanks :-) --Sabine (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2019 (CET)

Semi-automatic import from Wikidata[edit]

Hi, I am considering creating a script that would allow semi-automatic import from Wikidata (it imports the list automatically, but the user would need to have a quick look at it to see if something seems wrong, and then click on save).

It would work a bit like the semi-automatic import script for Wiktionary (anyone has it? / uses it?), but a bit simpler to use since we don't need to manually copy/paste wikicode. Simply enter a Wikidata ID as we already do, and then there would be a button "import translations". Then the user sees what has been imported, and also has information of what was not imported and why (e.g. language unknown, or translation for that language already there).

From what I have seen, the translations at Wikidata are mostly ok. I propose to use the column "label" and "also known as". I just noticed that sometimes, words are capitalized when they shouldn't be.

So my question is this: do you also consider the translations from Wikidata ok. Did you already do some manual import of it, and did you notice anything that we should pay attention to if I make that script? --Kip (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2019 (CET)

Many times descriptions (our DefinedMeaning) are wrong or missing so I have to update them manually. Translations in general are ok. Many times I copied them manually. Such a tool helps a lot! #tia Kip. I never used a script to copy from Wiktionary; I rarely visit the Dutch Wiktionary, other languages even less. Greetings & salutations, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  12:31, 14 February 2019 (CET)
Ok well for the wiktionary script, I thought I had made it available to all sysops but actually it is only available to me :p
It is a script that is made to work with the English Wiktionary (I have not adapted it to other wiktionaries, since they have less translations). If anyone is interested, tell me, I can easily make it available but I would have to write a small how-to-use page. --Kip (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2019 (CET)
Importing from Wiktionaries would be very interesting ... since a lot can be done without the help of too many people. :-))) -Sabine (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2019 (CET)
So I wrote a help page and made the tool available to all sysops.
Help:Semi-automatic import Wiktionary
It can be that you need to refresh you cache to see it (Ctrl+Shift+R to refresh).
I hope it helps :)
(This is for Wiktionary, not yet for Wikidata) --Kip (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2019 (CET)
Wow ... this stuff works ... and it helps a lot. -Sabine (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2019 (CET)

More on the "Wikidata" subject: I just realized that Wikidata also has links to OmegaWiki. For example the Wikidata ID for dog has a link to the corresponding OW DM id. I don't know if it's one of use adding it there, or if it is somebody else. I also don't know if they reuse links that we have or if there are links that we could import. According to this page [1], Wikidata has somewhere between 500 and 1000 links to OW. On our side, we have a bit more than 10.000 links to Wikidata.

And also:

  • Wikidata has links to WordNet ID as well, and I was considering adding these to OW so that we can import translations from multilingual wordnet ( or ) as well as relations (hypernyms, antonyms, etc.)
  • Wikidata also encodes some semantic relations that we might want to include in OW. For dog, there are relations such as "dog can be used as pet", "dog uses a dog bed", "a dog can bark", etc.

So there are actually some things that we can import with a bot. If I had time I could have some fun with this...

PS: And also I am a Wikidata entity . It says I am human :) --Kip (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2019 (CET)

Since I added my first WikidataID to OmegaWiki today - it was not easy to find out where to add it, so I made some changes on Help:Wikidata_ID. Now I was looking at Wikidata and tried to figure out how to add the OmegaWiki-ID there ... no chance. Could we add this to our help section as well?
I would like to understand more about wordnet ... --Sabine (talk) 14:34, 27 February 2019 (CET)
I added a section about editing Wikidata, although I don't have much experience about it myself. --Kip (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2019 (CET)
I have made small cosmetic changes to the import script: the window now follows you when you scroll down, and you can also move it (e.g. if you drag it from the top). Kip.
I will try this out soon :-))) --Sabine (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2019 (CET)


WordNet is originally an English language dictionary / ontology. It is, like us, based on concepts (they call it "synset" and it corresponds to our DefinedMeaning): all synonyms will share the same definition and will share the same relations (hypernym, hyponym, etc.) to the other words.

Now, while WordNet is only in English, there are many linguists around the world who developed WordNet for other languages, based on the original WordNet, i.e. reusing the same senses. The licenses vary but most are open, and there are apparently more than 100 languages.

So if we link our DefinedMeaning to a WordNet Synset ID, it becomes possible to import translations from the various wordnets. --Kip (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2019 (CET)

Change name to OLPC Children's dictionary or create a new collection[edit]

So here I am with my next question: time ago we worked on the OLPC Chidren's dictionary. OLPC seems to be a dead project therefore we should or rename it or create simply a Children's dictionary, that is a new collection. For "historical reference" I would leave OLPC and create a new collection. I know where to create it, but I don't remember how to do it and what to change. Could we add the how-to to the help pages, please? That would be great! --Sabine (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2019 (CET)

I hope it helps Help:Adding a collection :) --Kip (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2019 (CET)
Don't know for OLPC, if it is better to start another Children's dictionary from scratch or to reuse that one. I don't know who used to add words to that collection. Probably I just will agree with you then :) --Kip (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2019 (CET)
Thank you! I will try this out tomorrow morning. I am talking with someone you might know. I will write more, as soon as I have news. --Sabine (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2019 (CET)

Wiktionaries on Icubator[edit]

In a translation break I just had a look at the wiktionaries on Incubator. Most of them had their last edit years ago. Maybe it would make sense to contact these people and tell them, that they can add their language here. Incubator is a place where people get stuck, they don't see development and so they stop working in their mother language. This could be a win-win situation for all. --Sabine (talk) 13:35, 3 March 2019 (CET)

I also noted that scn.wiktionary which I was asked to build many years ago, is basically dead ... --Sabine (talk) 13:39, 3 March 2019 (CET)
One could even argue that it is relatively easy (doable...) to create a Wiktionary from OmegaWiki. I mean if they start with OmegaWiki, add definitions, and later want to move on to a proper Wiktionary they can always export all data without loss. --Kip (talk) 10:03, 4 March 2019 (CET)
Indeed that would be an argument ... thank's for the hint :-) --Sabine (talk) 11:21, 4 March 2019 (CET)


I just changed our license to CC0.

This was what we wanted from the beginning (i.e. the closest possible to public domain), but CC0 did not exist at the time so we used other licenses that we found to be the most open. Words and translations cannot be copyrighted, and it is dubious whether definitions could, so anyway this is the license that makes sense. Only my javascripts could be copyrighted :P --Kip (talk) 21:32, 4 March 2019 (CET)

yesssss :-) --Sabine (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2019 (CET)
Great!! Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:47, 9 April 2019 (CEST)


I just was reading this page, since I was wondering, if it makes sense to publish our "how-to"-pages via facebook and twitter every now and then. This is good for a wikipedian or wiktionaryian, but for a normal person who maybe wishes to add terminology it is too difficult. If it is fine for you, I will create two sections

  1. For people not knowing at all, what a wiki is
  2. For people knowing how to edit wikis

I don't know when I will have time, but would put it on my to-do list. --Sabine (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2019 (CET)

This page is outdated... :(
There is now a new log in process (because of spam), it is actually quite simple with very few fields to fill in ( see )
When a user fills this form, they receive a confirmation e-mail. When they click the e-mail, I receive a notification.
There is a free text where the users usually indicate the languages they speak. I then create manually their Babel template on their user page based on the text (so that they don't have to bother with this).
A temporary password is sent automatically by e-mail (and has to be changed on first log in, I think the system automatically requires that)
The edit rights are also given manually by me to all new accounts. --Kip (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2019 (CET)
So this needs to be changed. Well, let's see when there is enough time. I have quite some workload over here. --Sabine (talk) 13:56, 27 March 2019 (CET)
Twitter already links to the RA-special. I need to increase the number of supported languages weekly. You guys work too hard ;-))) Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:52, 9 April 2019 (CEST)
I hope we can reach 1000 languages :) --Kip (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2019 (CEST)
Shared hope is double hope 8-D If we go on w this speed we reach milestone before our XIV anniversary early MMXX. In bocca al lupo, ragazzi! Klaas `Z4␟` V:  18:16, 28 May 2019 (CEST)


See my uP. I downloaded the newest list, but could not find a code that has a Wikipedia map-bms. Probably because it does not meet the criteria?
What we do?  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:26, 26 July 2019 (CEST)

When there is no ISO639-3 code, we can consider the Wikipedia code or Wiktionary code as the ISO 639-3 code (even if it is more than three characters). We have a few like this already (usually dialects). --Kip (talk) 01:28, 27 July 2019 (CEST)

Great! I was thinking the same, but just in case there would be a problem I asked. I'll add this one and one word at least I found by the latest WotD on Twitter Added. See Banyumasam. It seems we're now supporting more than 950 languages & dialects. Time to update mainPage? Proud of us ;-)

 Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:33, 27 July 2019 (CEST)
I am currently adding a lot (more than 50) from the Wiktionary translations of "ear", but they will show up in the statistics only when I am finished and import the translations. --Kip (talk) 10:49, 27 July 2019 (CEST)
983 languages... so close :) --Kip (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
Kewl, Kip! What about updating mainPage to show the number eventually "on the fly"?  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  22:09, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
It is normally updated automatically after a while, but you can always add "?action=purge" to the url for a manual refresh (I just did). --Kip (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
Way2go, Kip. Merci beaucoup. Updated our TwitterProfile and tweeted about ear a few minutes. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  09:52, 10 August 2019 (CEST)
999 ...

1000 languages[edit]

We have just reached 1000 languages.

The 1000th language is Mon. I can't get the main page to refresh though... --Kip (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2019 (CEST)

Wow! Literally a milestone :-) Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:03, 20 August 2019 (CEST)
I discovered that we had a few languages (about 30), editable but with no words yet and therefore they didn't show in the statistics. I added at least one word for them so we now have already 1033 languages :) (and I have 15 more to add :) ). --Kip (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2019 (CEST)
There are a lot more... the word "water" at en.Wiktionary is translated in more than 3000 languages. --Kip (talk) 22:27, 22 August 2019 (CEST)

Best place to discuss OmegaWiki?[edit]

Hi everyone,

Just having a look around, and have a few questions. What's the best place to ask them?

First question: is there any way for me to add collections of bilingual terms (Dutch-English), (1) without having to add a definition for each separate word pair, and (2) in some kind of non manual fashion. That is, not one by one, but e.g. via CSV/TSV import?

Michaelbeijer (talk)

internal) Best place for all questions and comments is here, our world famous IBP.
external) Like you can see on mainPage we're in blogosphere, Facebook, ircFreenode (#OmegaWiki), LinkedIn (group OmegaWiki) & Twitter (@OmegaWiki)
Welcome Michael, on behalf of (nearly?) all admins thanks for your contributions! Klaas `Z4␟` V:  22:24, 24 August 2019 (CEST)
Thanks! Michaelbeijer (talk) 01:02, 26 August 2019 (CEST)
As for your question: we cannot just add bilingual translations without having to add a definition. This is because a pair of bilingual translations is not sufficient to define the meaning of a term, and that meaning is however necessary so that other people add translations in more languages. And also, if we already have that meaning in Omegawiki, the translation pair should be added to the already existing DefinedMeaning instead of creating a new one.
This is mostly the reason why we couldn't perform any automatic import of bilingual dictionary - and so our growth is slow. I would say that the Wiktionaries are rather the place for bilingual dictionary import.
It is possible to import data via CSV or via our API. In most cases you need the ID (number) corresponding to the DefinedMeaning (i.e. the definition) to which you want to import your words.
The special page is Special:ImportTSV. To know which format to use, the best is to export some data with Special:ExportTSV and use the same format as the exported data, for the import.
I hope Sabine will drop by, she might have some more ideas about importing data.
Sorry for the late reply I was on holiday. --Kip (talk) 15:05, 27 August 2019 (CEST)
Will hopefully be able to answer later today or tomorrow - sorry, I am a bit down-under like so often :-) --Sabine (talk) 10:23, 2 September 2019 (CEST)
Hi Michael, it's great to meet a fellow translator here. Uploading lists is quite a difficult task. In the past we went the way of creating collections (a list of words with defined meanings) with the needed terms in one language, exporting that list, adding translations and then re-importing it.
There also was the possibility to import terms via a bot. The data needed to be prepared like this: [3] - Kipcool, I believe you did run the bot then?
Can you copy an excerpt of your list to a sub page of your user page Michael? That would help to find out if there is a way to get it in such a form that we can add it. You can also contact me by e-mail at binawanner_at_gmail_dot_com if that seems to be easier for you.
I know this doesn't really help, but let's just give it a try and see if we can find a way.--Sabine (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2019 (CEST)

Legal stuff[edit]

Anyone knowledge of copyright laws? Can we add fair use images like this one of Donald D's nephews? If not here what about Twitter? Just to be sure I did not, bc better safe than sorry, right? Kind regards, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  11:55, 31 August 2019 (CEST)

Fair use is a difficult sector. Maybe an E-Mail to WD license office might be good. More l8r :-) --Sabine (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2019 (CEST)
Hi again. As long as we only add a link to the image it's not a problem. When the link implies to show the picture: we need the ok from the copyright holder. When we upload it: we need the ok from the copyright holder. Being OmegaWiki a not for profit project, it could well be that we get the OK by the copyright owner to add the image. The Walt Disney legal dept. would be the place to ask for permission. I dealt with them many (really many) years ago, when I worked for a company that produced Disney placemats here in Germany. Could you please create a sample page, so that we can use it to ask for the OK. --Sabine (talk) 21:38, 2 September 2019 (CEST)[edit]

Just created a so-called subwiki on the new social network: OmegaWiki - let's hope we get some more contibutors, fans, friends and/or followers. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  15:49, 12 January 2020 (CET)

I created an account and when going to the link I get nothing about OmegaWiki, but an invite to donate to to gain access to the site - weird, very weird - it's a bit like asking our contributors money to be able to add data. Hmmm ... or is there something I am missing? --Sabine (talk) 17:45, 12 January 2020 (CET)
Ok, I went to my profile and searched for OmegaWiki and so I could find the page. Well, I leave my first comment, so others that experience the same know that it is not necessary to pay. --Sabine (talk) 17:48, 12 January 2020 (CET)

Indeed it is not necessary to contribute with £,€ or $ just like in all WMF-projects as long as you do not become a member of what they call chapter. I have to get used to the interface since it is different from here and practically all "normal" wikis. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  13:12, 13 January 2020 (CET)

Server updated[edit]

I will put it here so that I can remove it from the Sitenotice.

The server (debian) has been updated with a new version of apache2, and php7. Mysql had been replaced by Mariadb. I don't know much about the latter but it seems to be no different than mysql and there was nothing particular to do for transferring the database.

Mediawiki has been upgraded from 1.27 to 1.31. 1.31 is the long term stable (LTS) release. I plan to stay up to date with LTS release mostly for security reasons, and then I don't have to upgrade as often as if using the normal stable releases. Some things have changed, some fonts, colors and some options for admins, but not much, and I did not have to change the OmegaWiki code. The search field (top right) now works for the Expression namespace without me needing to hack the code. However, it shows "Expression:" everywhere which I would like to get rid of (my hack was better...).

The html tables colors also have been a bit changed because I replaced some (stupid) html tag with some css to reduce the html size. I could define more colors in css. I think for the moment tables in edit mode are all white. I can also add borders, etc. I am not good with design so I take any advice.

At some point I will try to use nginx instead of Apache to see if it is faster (I heard rumors). I have already a test server running with nginx, but configuring nginx is always a bit of a mystery and finger-crossing.

Everything at a rather slow space, the combination of home office stuck with two young very noisy kids does not give me much free time and sleep and Konzentrationsfähigkeit.

Please report any weird behaviour to me. --Kip (talk) 13:38, 1 June 2020 (CEST)

Thanks a lot for this update. I could use the site almost all the time during the update. I've also noticed some helpful changes in the CSS of some forms that improves their usability. Great job. Ascánder (talk) 03:20, 8 June 2020 (CEST)

Need help in importing TSV[edit]

Hello, i need some help in importing translation of English to Santali bilingual with definition and translation. I have exported TSV then translated and added definition offline. I want to import the same by importing TSV, but unable to due to non-administrative privilege. Prasanta Hembram (talk) 07:51, 20 June 2020 (CEST)

Hi, I have given you the necessary import rights (I think).
Please try first with a small subset to see that it works fine (it has been some time since we last use automatic import, so it is mostly to see that there is no bug in it)
and then you can import the rest.
In any case, if there is some problem, tell me and I can usually solve it by modifying the database directly. (we don't have a revert function like a normal wiki...).
Thanks for contributing. --Kip (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2020 (CEST)
Thanks, Kipcool. I will try and inform you. Prasanta Hembram (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2020 (CEST)


The OmegaWiki is now using Nginx (instead of Apache2). I will see if it makes any difference in terms of speed.

Also (note for me :) ) I disabled Varnish cache which did not bring much but took a lot of memory. --Kip (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2020 (CEST)

And I doubled mysql memory usage ( SET GLOBAL innodb_buffer_pool_size=268435456; ) . It's never a good idea to change many parameters at once, but it's more fun. --Kip (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2020 (CEST)

Noticed a page is broken on the community data page[edit]

I saw this page was broken as I was browsing the intro pages Michael Tran (talk) 14:23, 3 August 2020 (CEST)

Thanks for reporting. I had not seen that. That should be fixed now!
(error was caused because we have an older version of MediaWiki and they changed some function names and changed our codes with it) --Kip (talk) 14:55, 3 August 2020 (CEST)